You have started your career quite early, would you consider your age an advantage or a disadvantage?
I don’t think my age has been a disadvantage. I try to show up on every shoot first and foremost as a good person and do my best to not hold an ego. Being 24, I have an entire lifetime of learning ahead of me but so far I have learned that if I show respect for the people I am working with and don’t pretend to be someone I’m not, or know skills I don’t yet know, then my peers will be willing to teach me and look past my age. I have ended up in a place I dreamed of being at the end of my career. But this is only because I put in hours and hours of time learning and taking notes from my heroes in this industry.
What or when was the point when you knew you wanted to be a photographer?
I wanted to be a photographer mainly because I realized it was a job that would allow me to work outside. When I was 18 I remember brainstorming different career paths I could do in the outdoor industry and at the same time I was beginning to consume climbing media. I saw a climbing image Jimmy Chin had taken and it had a North Face logo on it. I thought, he must have been paid for this. I started taking photos of my friends out climbing. I got hooked pretty quickly and realized I had a natural eye for it. I built out a little van and lived on the road for a few years doing exactly that. I would work construction on and off just to scrap together a few hundred bucks each month to keep the dream alive. Slowly it all started to take shape and the ball was rolling.
How do your passions influence the creative process behind capturing an image like your Red Bull Illume submission?
When I shot my Red Bull Illume image, the experience and outcome felt like the first image that was 100% true to my heart and true to my roots. I had been chasing a way to stand out and create something unique for years and it was really difficult to find my voice and my style for a long time. It wasn’t until I dug deep and pulled together my passions with climbing and set them next to my roots with the ocean that I came up with this idea. Photography, climbing, and the ocean all had to merge together in order for me to finally find my voice and capture a unique moment like this.
Dropping out of university to pursue photography and climbing is a bold move. What was the turning point when you decided to make this change?
There were two things that were a turning point in making that decision. First one, I had listened to a podcast with Samuel Crossley and he talked about how he just cold emailed his climbing idols and asked if he could join them on the road to come shoot. I thought that was so cool and felt inspired to do the same. Another turning point was winning this photography contest against all the photo majors at my college. It was cool to win but I was disappointed that I didn’t see other incredible work from my peers. I wanted to feel inspired and pushed to create better work but that didn’t happen. It felt like If I stayed in school I wasn’t going to get the push I needed to create great imagery.
The documentary The Devil’s Climb is coming out soon, what exactly was your role within this project?
I worked as a photographer, videographer, and van support for Tommy (Caldwell) and Alex (Honnold) during their biking journey. I was the only cameraman that was with them for every day of the expedition which lasted about two months. The pressure I put on myself to document their trip well and not miss anything was really challenging to deal with. It took me a while to gain confidence in my work and know I was doing a good job. I had to push my boundaries and comfort level a few times to keep up with them.
How did the preparation for this project look like?
Alex invited me on the trip two weeks prior to us leaving and I was busy working on a different shoot during that time. So I didn’t do any specific or new preparation for this project. I am always making sure I stay fit as a climber and runner throughout the year because of situations like this. You never know when you are going to get a phone call for a crazy job and I have learned that people respect you a lot more when you can keep up with everyone on the team. Mentally I didn’t have much time to dwell on the project which was probably a good thing. In a lot of ways this project felt like my final exam. It felt like I had been going to school the last few years trying to learn as much as I can about making a business out of adventure photography and this project really put all my skills as a rock climber and a photographer to the test.
I broke down and just cried looking at all of their faces
What was the most memorable moment during the making of The Devil’s Climb?
Near the end of the trip I was sitting on the glacier under the Devil's Thumb and I was being interviewed by Tommy and Alex. Also sitting next to them was Renan Ozturk, Pablo Durana, and Matt Pycroft. Alex and Tommy being my climbing heroes and then Renan, Pablo, and Matt have been my main photography idols. Truly all heroes of mine and people I never thought I would get to meet. It was a really intense and emotional moment for me. I broke down and just cried. Looking at all of their faces and reminiscing on the whole journey I have been on. It was so surreal and felt like I finally woke up to the situation. I can’t help but feel so proud of myself when I think back on that moment.
What have you learned from this project?
I learned two main things. Firstly, I have learned that I should always continue to dream up big impossible goals because you never know, they might come true. And secondly, I learned the power of friendship. Tommy and Alex have such a bond and when they get together they can dream up anything they want. They inspire each other and have each other's back at all times. They are unstoppable together. Their relationship made me think about the friends in my life and the relationships I have that make me feel that way. So I want to continue putting more energy into quality relationships with people that make me feel like I can do anything.
What is next for you? Any projects or dream locations you would like to capture soon?
At the current moment I am really trying to take some time to reflect on the last year and just appreciate it. I usually get caught up in chasing the next best thing, however, lately I have been so content to step on the brakes and be proud of what I have accomplished and be thankful for the people that have supported me. I always have creative ideas and projects brewing in my head but we will just have to wait and see what all comes into fruition.
Focus all of your energy into building meaningful relationships
What advice would you give to young, aspiring photographers who are still finding their way in the field?
The biggest piece of advice I can give is to focus all of your energy into building meaningful relationships with professional athletes in the field you want to shoot in. The athletes are the ones that are going on the trips and they are the ones who decide who they want to invite to come shoot. So if you develop great friendships with them then you will get to photograph cool stuff and go to cool places. The relationships I have developed with professional athletes over the last five years is the main factor that has led me to make a business out of adventure photography.